Erik Sherman's WriterBiz

A spot about the business of writing as seen by a freelance writer. That includes marketing, sales, contracts, copyright, planning, research - in short, the business end of writing.

Name: Erik Sherman
Location: Massachusetts, United States

I'm an independent writer and photographer who covers business, food, technology, books, media, general features, and pretty much anything appealing that results in a signed check. My work has appeared in such places as the New York Times Magazine, Newsweek, Newsweek Japan, Fortune, Inc, Fortune Small Business, the Financial Times, Advertising Age, Saveur, US News & World Report, and Continental

Thursday, March 26, 2009

Craigslist Scams and Other Cheap Ass Lowlifes

If you've ever looked at Craigslist posts for writers (and, to be fair, they're not all scams), you've probably seen calls for writers to send in sample content to show how well they write. Before even considering sending a sample (and I'm sure the experienced pros wouldn't get as far as consideration), check the following web post:
Heyya peeps, haven't been on in a long while since the hack attacks, but got into this AC thing. So far its shit cause they're real big bloody assholes about what kind of articles they want; kinda like a little kid who picks at his food.

Well I guessed they couldnt turn professionally written articles down so here's what I did short and simple. I went to craiglist put up a job listing in suburbs and shit like that (since the cities cost $25), it was for a writing position on how-to's and guides. I instructed them to send me a newly written sample 500 word article on a topic that I chose for each ad. I also asked for a resume to make it look more authentic.

Took about 4 days, but I got maybe 10 to 20 articles on good subjects that I submitted to AC and got paid a good $35 bucks total for the articles since they were very nicely written.
Yup, there are people who put up such notices just to get articles and then to resell them. The best way to avoid such crap is to ignore the postings.

But that's not the real problem, because this is so obviously a scam. The real problem is all the businesses and organizations and individuals that want every writer to take a flier with them because they think they have some God-given right to impose on anyone who seems even remotely literate.

Not long ago, the -- get this -- National Endowment for Financial Education, a freaking non-profit "that helps Americans from all walks of life gain the knowledge and skills necessary to achieve their financial well-being" was emailing writers to see if they were available to work, but wanted two articles rewritten so they could decide which approach they liked best and choose the writers they thought were a fit. Do free work for the possibility of maybe getting some work. Is this their idea of financial well-being, or even borderline intelligence?

Screw that. I'm absolutely sick of it. In the words of Goodfellas, "Fuck you, pay me." You're not sure that you'll like what I do? Fuck you, pay me. Not sure what you really need, but figure you'll know it when you see it? Fuck you, pay me. Want to be able to sample everything on a restaurant's menu and then decide afterward what you'll actually order? Fuck you, pay me.

Most of us try to be pleasant, polite, and profession. But there's no getting through to people whose skulls are as thick as the Earth's mantle. To such people, I say:
  1. This isn't a pastime. I actually have to work for a living.
  2. Do you get paid? If not, do you own a piece of the company? No? Jeez, you really are as stupid as you look, aren't you?
  3. You want a guarantee? Pay extra money at Best Buy.
  4. Do I look like a trust fund baby?
  5. If you can't say it with a straight face to the electric company, don't try me. I have less money and understanding than they do.
  6. Maybe you can live with yourself in asking people to do free work for your convenience, but not in my office or on my dime.
  7. Have you ever read The No Asshole Rule?
When some moron who thinks you were born yesterday suggests this kind of bullshit, because there is no other word for it, say this:
Don't tell me about getting exposure to a bunch of deadbeat bums like you. Don't tell me that I can get enough money for hours of my work to buy a pack of gum. Don't tell me that you might pay me at some time in the future. Pay me for the work you're asking me to do or go fuck yourself, because I'm certainly not going to let you fuck me.

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18 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly!

I fully concur.

March 26, 2009 3:16 PM  
Blogger Jennifer Roland said...

Love. This. Post.

I will be including it in my weekly roundup of writing news and info (Monday, 3/30).

I did notice one error in the list of things you say to the cheap asses. It should be pastime.

March 26, 2009 5:00 PM  
Blogger Leslie Pepper said...

Amen!!!

March 26, 2009 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Julie Cajigas said...

You said it!

March 26, 2009 10:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen, brother!

March 26, 2009 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Mridu Khullar said...

Haha. Love it! I'm never pissing you off, Erik.

March 27, 2009 5:40 AM  
Anonymous Beverly Harzog said...

Great post! I'm one of the writers that got an email from the foundation you mentioned. I told them I don't write for free. Ever!

March 27, 2009 9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are you trying to say--you want to be paid?

March 27, 2009 4:12 PM  
Anonymous Wordy Bird said...

I see my "fuck you, pay me" on the Media Bistro boards gave you a good idea for a blog entry.

http://www.mediabistro.com/bbs/cache/t41962_1.asp

http://www.mediabistro.com/bbs/cache/t41962_2.asp

And there you are, five posts down.

Now scroll down, fuck you, and pay me. :-)

March 28, 2009 5:16 PM  
Blogger Erik Sherman said...

Ah, Wordy, don't know how to break it to you, but a group of people on Freelance Success were on a Goodfella's kick before your MB post. And, as happens even more often in business than in art, I simply stole it ... and added a few other things.

Unfortunately, the market makes it too easy to develop a head of steam in such matters.

March 28, 2009 9:44 PM  
Anonymous WordyBird said...

Sorry, Erik, but timing is everything.

But hey, now a whole bunch of writers and editors know that Erik Sherman ganks his ideas from other writers on message boards.

A trustworthy journalist gives credit where it's due. At the very least, one would hope to see an introduction like, "While visiting a message board I frequent, I noticed a Good Fellas theme developing--that of 'fuck you, pay me'--and I can understand why."

What you've done here is poor form, and others have noticed it. Good luck with that.

March 29, 2009 6:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad thing is there's no need to "steal" sentiments like these as they are universal in the freelancing world. (In other words, this is like claiming a women's mag stole your idea for "10 Ways To Walk off the Weight.")

The more people drawing attention to this, the better! Nice work, Erik, AND Wordy.

March 29, 2009 9:47 AM  
Blogger Erik Sherman said...

Wordy,

Do stop being a horse's ass if you can:

1) I mentioned two places I've seen the Goodfellas reference, and there have been others as well, all focused on writers getting paid after the fact. Sorry if it's disappointing, but yours was far from the first. So, do I list every single one? No, because that would become clumsy and stupid. When something has become a cultural reference, you mention the original source, not everyone repeating it.

2) The reference was one part, with much more there - and focused on people who don't want to pay even at the start, not on the more obvious case of not being paid after doing the work, with the Goodfellas reference only a part. Or did you ignore that part?

3) I'm sure you feel that it's your right to be smug and sanctimonious in support of your ego. And I'll even give you this one chance in the comment on my blog. But in the future you'll have to take it elsewhere.

4) I understand that it's also good journalistic form to be willing to put your real name to your observations, comments, and conclusions. But maybe that takes a degree of commitment and courage that you lack.

March 29, 2009 9:50 AM  
Blogger Erik Sherman said...

Anon, certainly the issue of cheap companies and individuals who want free writing is universal among freelancers. The expression of that idea *can* be stolen, but when you have something that has become part of pop culture, how do you trace the chain back, other than the original source? The problem with feeling proprietary about such an obvious pop culture metaphor is that many others, known or unknown, have probably come up with the same one. In a odd way, that proprietary sense is a form of intellectual theft, because the writer - Wordybird (apparently otherwise known as Melissa Levine, www.thewordybird.com, because if you want to come here to toss bricks, be ready to do so in person, and not in persona) - wants to own the analogy.

March 29, 2009 10:26 AM  
Blogger Erik Sherman said...

By the way, I did a quick check and found writers at least as far back as 2006 using the Goodfellas phrase. Given that the movie came out in 1990, I suspect there are far earlier examples.

March 29, 2009 10:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recently responded to a Craigslist post for a Freelance Hong Kong Fashion Correspondent. I emailed back, and attached some of my published work. After reading your post, I'm a little worried that my published work will be reused in some other publication by the poster, which of course, might result in some copyright problems with the magazines I wrote for. Do you think my published work I sent might be misused?

March 30, 2009 3:57 AM  
Blogger Erik Sherman said...

If they asked for published clips, I suspect they're not looking to grab your stuff. After all, if someone wants to rip off other publishers, there are plenty of web sites with contents that can be copied from the browser. Personally, I'm loathe to send clips to a blind email address. And, at this point, if they were looking to steal work you sent, it's too late.

You also say that you're worried about the copyright of the publications. Did you sign over copyright of the pieces? If not, it's your copyright, not theirs.

March 30, 2009 4:31 AM  
Anonymous Rachel Brand said...

Your post is the best. Some writers are so desperate to be "published" that they'll abuse themselves, and drag down the rest of us, by giving away their stuff for free. No, no and no.

I look at new writing clients if they are first dates. The way someone treats you on the first date is the way they will treat you throughout the relationship. In either case, if they're cheap and dishonest up front, ditch 'em!

April 12, 2009 7:52 PM  

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